Mobile casino in New Zealand — what works on a phone and what breaks

Mobile casino NZ: the operators covered on this page, updated September 2026.

Mobile Best Online Pokies Sites for New Zealand Players

Which Best Online Pokies Site Works Best on Mobile?

iOS, Android, Minimum OS and load time for the 10 operators covered here, compared for New Zealand.

CasinoiOSAndroidMinimum OSLoad time
SlotsdjApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 13 / Android 103.7 s
SpinGrandeBrowser / PWAAPK downloadiOS 14 / Android 103.2 s
BetninjaApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 16 / Android 92.7 s
RocketPlayApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 15 / Android 112.0 s
Royal PandaApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 13 / Android 91.7 s
Spin CasinoApp StoreBrowser / PWAiOS 14 / Android 93.1 s
SkyCityApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 16 / Android 93.1 s
Ruby FortuneApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 15 / Android 82.8 s
JackpotCityBrowser / PWABrowser / PWAiOS 14 / Android 93.3 s
Jonny JackpotApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 13 / Android 81.7 s

Figures in this table are an editorial estimate compiled for this comparison, not an operator quote — limits and timings change. Confirm in the cashier before you deposit. 18+.

How Operators Reach Your Phone in 2026

There are three delivery models, and the differences matter more than most marketing copy admits. Knowing which one an operator uses tells you how large the install is, how quickly updates arrive and what happens when your connection drops mid-spin.

Native Apps

A native app is downloaded from an app store or directly from the operator as an APK. It typically occupies 50–150 MB of storage once game assets are cached, launches faster than a browser tab and can keep you signed in across sessions. The trade-off is manual updates: when a game studio patches a title, the app may lag behind the browser version by days. Apple's App Store in New Zealand hosts a limited number of real-money gambling apps, so many operators serving Kiwi players ship Android packages or skip apps entirely.

Browser Play

The browser is the default for most mobile casinos serving New Zealand in 2026. HTML5 games stream from the operator's servers, so nothing sits on your phone except cached images and scripts — usually well under 100 MB. Any modern browser released in the last two years handles reel animations, cascading symbols and live dealer video. Updates are instant because the operator deploys them server-side, and you never store payment details on the device itself unless you choose to. Catalogue depth is compared title by title in our online slots NZ rundown.

Installable Web Apps

A smaller group of operators offers a progressive web app: a browser site you pin to your home screen. It behaves like a native app — full-screen play, icon on the home page, no store approval — but it is really a cached website. Install size is typically 5–20 MB, which suits older phones with little free space. The catch is that a pinned web app can lose its cache after long periods offline, requiring a fresh load on the next launch. The same operators are compared on payout speed in the instant withdrawal casino NZ page.

How well do Best Online Pokies sites work on a phone in New Zealand?

  • 1.7 sQuickest lobby load — Jonny Jackpot
  • 8/10Sites with an iOS app
  • 6/10Sites supporting landscape play

Values shown are indicative and compiled for comparison — treat them as a starting point and verify the current terms with the operator. 18+.

Devices, Systems and Storage

Devices, Systems and Storage — mobile casino nz in New Zealand

Requirements are modest by 2026 standards. Any handset sold in the last five to six years will run pokies comfortably. What matters more is free storage, screen size and whether the operating system still receives security updates, since you will be entering banking details. Response times and escalation routes are measured in online gambling NZ.

  • Operating system: Android 10 or later, or iOS 15 or later, covers virtually every operator's compatibility floor.
  • RAM: 3 GB is workable; 4 GB or more prevents a live dealer stream from reloading when you switch apps.
  • Storage: allow at least 200 MB free for browser cache if you play regularly on one site.
  • Screen: reels are designed for 5.5-inch displays and upward; smaller screens shrink the paytable and buttons.
  • Browser: Chrome, Safari, Firefox or Samsung Internet, updated within the last year.

Storage and Cache Management

Browser-based play accumulates cache quietly. If a site that used to load in seconds starts stuttering, clearing site data through the browser settings usually restores it. Do this only after noting your login details, because clearing cookies signs you out of every casino on mobile you use. For the neighbouring question, see the online roulette guide.

Load time: the table

Ordered by Load time, best first. These are the working values used across this site, so the same operator shows the same numbers on every page here.

#SiteLoad timeInstall sizeOrientationSupport
1Jonny Jackpot1.7 s60 MBPortrait + landscape24/7
2Royal Panda1.7 s36 MBPortrait + landscape24/7
3RocketPlay2.0 s60 MBPortrait only24/7
4Betninja2.7 s72 MBPortrait + landscape24/7
5Ruby Fortune2.8 s54 MBPortrait only08:00–00:00
6SkyCity3.1 s36 MBPortrait + landscape08:00–00:00
7Spin Casino3.1 s30 MBPortrait only08:00–00:00
8SpinGrande3.2 s42 MBPortrait only24/7
9JackpotCity3.3 s84 MBPortrait + landscape08:00–00:00
10Slotsdj3.7 s18 MBPortrait + landscape24/7

Jonny Jackpot takes the top slot on quickest mobile loading (1.7 s). At the other end of the table Slotsdj sits at 3.7 s — the spread is the reason this page exists.

This is an editorial comparison, not an operator statement. Timings, limits and fees are indicative and should be checked before you commit money. 18+.

Load Times and Lobby Behaviour on Mobile Data

On a stable 4G or 5G connection, a well-built lobby renders its first screen in roughly two to five seconds; on congested urban networks at peak evening hours, that stretches to ten seconds or more. The lobby itself is the heaviest page, because it loads thumbnails for hundreds of titles. Individual pokies are lighter — each one streams only its own symbols, reels and audio. The full cost of playing for real money is set out in the play online casino for real money page.

  • Thumbnails are the biggest cost: a lobby with 2,000 games can pull 30–80 MB of images on a first visit.
  • Return visits are faster because most of that cache is reused.
  • Game launches add 3–8 seconds each, longer for jackpot pokies that sync a live prize pool counter.
  • Live dealer tables are the heaviest single item, consuming roughly 250–500 MB per hour of video.
  • Standard pokie play uses far less: typically 20–60 MB per hour once loaded.

Managing Data Use

If you play on mobile data rather than wifi, two habits keep usage down. First, browse the lobby once on wifi so the thumbnail cache is warm before you head out. Second, avoid demo mode on data — it is fine on a home connection, but loading three or four titles to compare them can cost more data than an hour of real play. Operators such as Slotsdj, SpinGrande, Betninja, RocketPlay, SkyCity, JackpotCity, Spin Casino, Ruby Fortune, Jonny Jackpot and Royal Panda all serve their lobbies over compressed image formats in 2026, so actual figures vary by site rather than by network alone. If the entry cost matters more than the offer size, the $1 deposit casino NZ page ranks the same sites by it.

Paying From the Phone

Banking is where phone play differs most from desktop, mostly for the better. Mobile wallets and app-based bank authentication are built for handsets, and most New Zealand-facing operators have rebuilt their cashiers around them. Deposit minimums are unchanged by device: expect NZ$10 as the common floor, with some operators accepting NZ$5. We take “how much do all blacks get paid” apart on a separate page.

Deposits

A phone deposit takes three taps once your preferred method is saved: open the cashier, choose the amount, approve. Cards and e-wallets credit the balance instantly, usually within seconds. Bank transfer through a banking app adds the time it takes you to switch apps and confirm — often under a minute total. The cashier should always show the minimum and maximum for the method you have selected before you commit. Wagering is what decides an offer's real value — the best online casino bonus guide compares the terms side by side.

  • Visa and Mastercard debit cards — instant, minimums typically NZ$10.
  • E-wallets — instant, sometimes lower minimums than cards.
  • Direct bank transfer through your bank's app — instant to same-day.
  • Prepaid vouchers — instant, useful if you prefer not to link a card.

Withdrawals

Cashing out on a phone works the same as on desktop, with one device-specific wrinkle: verification. If the operator requests documents, the phone is actually the easiest place to supply them, since you can photograph an ID or a bank statement directly. Pending windows vary widely — the table above lists the current windows for each operator — but a typical range is 0–48 hours before an e-wallet payment is released, with card payouts adding one to three banking days after approval. Recently launched sites are assessed separately in best new online pokies NZ.

Biometric Approval

Where it gets genuinely mobile is authentication. Many e-wallets and banking apps now confirm payments with a fingerprint or face scan, which means approving a deposit takes a second and cannot be typed wrongly. Some operators' own apps also gate the cashier behind biometrics, so a phone left unlocked on a couch cannot reach your balance. If an operator offers this, turning it on is the single best security step available on a handset. How these operators were ranked is set out in online baccarat.

What the Phone Build Leaves Out

No phone build is a complete copy of the desktop lobby. Operators quietly trim features to keep the mobile page light, and it pays to know what is missing before you commit your play to a handset.

  • Filtering depth: desktop lobbies often let you filter by volatility, payline count or theme; phone builds usually offer only a handful of categories.
  • Side-by-side comparison: you cannot open two paytables at once, which slows down comparing titles.
  • Detailed statistics: session histories and full bet-by-bet records are often desktop-only.
  • Some promotions: certain offers are flagged desktop-only in their terms, though this is increasingly rare.
  • Multi-table play: live casino tables that tile four-up on desktop become one-at-a-time on a phone.

None of these omissions affects the odds, the RTP or the outcome of any spin — the games run on the same servers either way. If a particular feature matters to you, check it on the desktop site before deciding where your account lives. Our review of the best online pokies real money NZ options notes which operators keep full filtering on phones and which do not.

Side by side on the details

The detail that rarely fits in a comparison table, kept per operator so it can be checked line by line.

SiteiOSAndroidMinimum OSInstall sizeLoad timeOrientation
Jonny JackpotApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 13 / Android 860 MB1.7 sPortrait + landscape
Royal PandaApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 13 / Android 936 MB1.7 sPortrait + landscape
RocketPlayApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 15 / Android 1160 MB2.0 sPortrait only
BetninjaApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 16 / Android 972 MB2.7 sPortrait + landscape
Ruby FortuneApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 15 / Android 854 MB2.8 sPortrait only
SkyCityApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 16 / Android 936 MB3.1 sPortrait + landscape
Spin CasinoApp StoreBrowser / PWAiOS 14 / Android 930 MB3.1 sPortrait only
SpinGrandeBrowser / PWAAPK downloadiOS 14 / Android 1042 MB3.2 sPortrait only
JackpotCityBrowser / PWABrowser / PWAiOS 14 / Android 984 MB3.3 sPortrait + landscape
SlotsdjApp StoreAPK downloadiOS 13 / Android 1018 MB3.7 sPortrait + landscape

Figures in this table are an editorial estimate compiled for this comparison, not an operator quote — limits and timings change. Confirm in the cashier before you deposit. 18+.

Common Phone-Only Failures and Fixes

Every fault below happens on phones and almost never on desktop, which makes them predictable and fixable.

Games Not Loading

The most common cause is a mid-spin connection drop: the reels freeze because the server stopped receiving your input, not because the game broke. Wait thirty seconds on the game screen — most operators resume the round and settle the result when the connection returns. If a title repeatedly fails, try another game from a different studio; if those load, the problem is that specific title, and support can credit an interrupted bet. Offers that need no deposit at all are compared in our king billy casino no deposit bonus comparison.

Payment Failures

Card declines on phones usually come from the bank, not the operator — banks flag mobile-browser card entries more aggressively than app-based payments. Fix: use an e-wallet, or complete the deposit through your bank's own app. If a deposit leaves your bank but does not appear in your balance within fifteen minutes, contact support with the transaction reference before attempting a second deposit. For what is available before funding an account, see no deposit bonus casino.

Login and Session Problems

Sessions time out faster on phones — often after 15–30 minutes of inactivity — as a security measure. Being logged out mid-session is normal; being unable to log back in is not. If login fails repeatedly, clear site data for that operator, then request a password reset. Never accept a "save my password" prompt from the browser itself on a shared device. This is picked up again in our $200 no deposit bonus 200 free spins real money NZ rundown.

  • Frozen reels: wait 30 seconds before closing the game; the round usually settles itself.
  • Lobby won't scroll: reload the page — cached scripts sometimes conflict after an update.
  • Bonus not credited: check the promotion's terms on the desktop site, where the full conditions are displayed.
  • Live table keeps buffering: switch from mobile data to wifi, or lower the video quality in the table's settings.
  • Cashier blank: disable content blockers for that site; they occasionally strip the payment frame.

Choosing Where to Play on a Handset

Choosing Where to Play on a Handset for players in New Zealand

The operators compared on this page — Slotsdj, SpinGrande, Betninja, RocketPlay, SkyCity, JackpotCity, Spin Casino, Ruby Fortune, Jonny Jackpot and Royal Panda — differ less in whether their sites work on phones and more in how the details feel: lobby speed on data, cashier design, how quickly you can reach your favourite pokies from the home screen. Rankings are an editorial judgement based on published features, not derived from testing. When you want the wider market view rather than the phone angle specifically, our page on the best 10 NZ online pokies covers each operator's full offering.

What to Look For in a Mobile Lobby

Three things separate a good phone lobby from a mediocre one. A search box that works with partial titles, so typing "jackp" finds jackpot games without exact spelling. A favourites or recently-played rail, which saves scrolling through two thousand thumbnails every visit. And a cashier that remembers your last deposit method — a small thing that saves four taps every time you top up. The related figures are collected in our online blackjack NZ rundown.

Pokies and Tables on a Small Screen

Reel games translate to phones better than any other casino category. A five-reel layout in portrait mode uses the screen naturally, and touch controls suit spinning more than a mouse ever did. Table games need more adaptation, and live dealer titles more still. There is more on this in our PayPal casino NZ rundown.

Reels and Pokies

Pokie developers now design for phones first, then scale up to desktop. Symbols, reels and paytables are built around a portrait screen, which is why a 2026 release often looks better on a phone than in a desktop browser. Features such as free spins rounds, expanding wilds and Hold and Win respins all work identically across devices, since the maths model lives on the operator's server. Volatility and RTP are properties of the game, not the device — the same title pays the same on either screen. Welcome packages across these operators are compared in our online casino bonus rundown.

Live Tables

Live casino is the one category where phones still trail. The video stream works well, but the betting grid is compressed, and games with side bets can hide options behind a scrollable panel. Portrait streaming helps; several studios now shoot tables vertically specifically for phones. If you play live tables often, check the layout in landscape mode before settling on an operator.

Check these before you commit

  • Install from the operator's own link

    Android builds are usually sideloaded (APK download); the only safe source is the operator's site, not a search result.

  • Check the OS floor before installing

    Minimum supported: iOS 13 / Android 8. Older devices silently fall back to the browser build, which is not always feature-complete.

  • Test the cashier on mobile data, not Wi-Fi

    Payment approval bounces between the banking app and the casino; that handoff is where the mobile flow breaks, and it behaves differently on mobile data.

  • Confirm orientation and layout support

    Current support: Portrait + landscape. Live tables are the first thing to break in portrait-only builds.

  • Check what the app leaves out

    Promotions pages, limit settings and document upload are the three features most often missing from the native build.

Bonuses on the Phone

Offers themselves do not change by device, but claiming and clearing them does. The promo pages on phones are abbreviated, and that is where players lose value without realising it.

Free Spins Offers

Free spins credited on a phone behave exactly like those credited on desktop: same eligible games, same spin value, same expiry. Check the expiry clock before you start — a 24-hour or 72-hour window is common, and a free games offer claimed at 11 pm effectively expires the next evening. The eligible title should be named in the terms; if the phone build shows only a thumbnail, open the full terms page rather than guessing.

Wagering From a Handset

Progress trackers are often the first feature trimmed from a phone cashier. Without one, you cannot see how much wagering remains on a bonus, which leads to voided wins when players withdraw early. If you are clearing a matched bonus, note the requirement before you start — a 35x requirement on a NZ$50 bonus means NZ$1,750 of wagering — and check your progress through the desktop site or support chat if the phone build hides it. Our guide to online pokies real money NZ explains how different game types contribute differently to these requirements.

Playing for Free on a Phone

Demo mode works well on phones and is the cheapest way to learn a new game's rhythm before betting. Most operators offer their pokies in free online pokies mode with virtual credits: the reels, symbols, features and volatility behave identically to the paid version, only the balance is pretend. Two limits apply. Demo play never produces withdrawable money, and each spin is generated independently, so a hot or cold demo streak says nothing about a future session. Occasionally a title is restricted to real play by its studio; when that happens, the demo button simply is not there, and no setting on your phone changes it.

Making Free Play Useful

Use demo sessions for the things that cost real money to learn: how often a bonus round triggers, what the maximum win feels like, whether the betting range fits a NZ$50 session budget. Do not use it to chase patterns — the random number generator has no memory of previous spins, on any device. For more context, see online bingo.

Getting an Account Set Up From Your Phone

Registration on a phone takes five to ten minutes for a new online casinos NZ account, and the phone has one genuine advantage: document upload. When verification is requested, photographing an ID beats scanning one on a desktop.

Creating an Account

The steps below are common across the operators listed on this page, though the exact wording varies.

  1. Tap the sign-up or register button on the operator's homepage.
  2. Enter your name, date of birth, address and email exactly as they appear on your identification documents.
  3. Create a password that you do not use anywhere else.
  4. Confirm a mobile number by entering the code sent by text — this step doubles as a security anchor.
  5. Accept the terms and confirm you meet the age requirement.
  6. Complete identity verification when asked, usually by uploading a photo of an ID and sometimes a proof of address.

Inaccurate details are the main cause of delayed withdrawals. If the name on the account does not match the name on the withdrawal method, the payment is held until identity checks are complete — routinely adding days. Get the details right at registration and verification takes hours rather than a week. Licensing and account protection are compared in our safe online casino NZ rundown.

Common failures and the fix

What actually goes wrong, what causes it and what resolves it — with the time each fix realistically takes.

SymptomCauseFixTypical time
App will not installOS below the supported floor (iOS 13 / Android 8)Update the OS or use the browser build — the mobile site carries the same account5–10 min
Payment approval loopsThe handoff back from the banking app failsComplete the approval, then return to the casino tab manually rather than waiting for the redirect2–5 min
Live tables stutterVideo streams on a constrained connectionDrop the stream quality in the table settings before blaming the connectionImmediate
Session drops on network switchWi-Fi to mobile data handover ends the session tokenLog back in; funds and open rounds are held server-sideUnder 1 min
Documents will not uploadCamera capture exceeds the size limitPhotograph the document, then upload the saved file instead of using in-app capture5 min

Security on a Handset

Security on a Handset — mobile casino nz in New Zealand

Phones are, on balance, a safer place to gamble than a shared desktop, provided you treat the device itself as the security boundary. Every operator listed here runs encrypted connections — the padlock in the address bar should be visible before you enter anything — and reputable mobile casinos operating for New Zealand players apply the same account protections on phones as on desktop. Whether a newer operator is worth the risk is covered in our new online casinos NZ rundown.

Protecting Your Account

Four habits cover most of the risk. Use a unique password for each operator, so a breach at one site does not open others. Enable biometric lock on the casino app or on the wallet you use to fund it. Sign out after sessions on any device you do not solely control. And never enter account details through a link received by email or text — navigate to the operator yourself. The same operators are compared from a different angle in the NZ betting sites guide.

  • Unique password per operator, stored in a password manager rather than in notes.
  • Biometric or PIN lock on the phone itself — an unlocked phone is an unlocked casino account.
  • Two-factor authentication where the operator offers it.
  • Session sign-out, especially on tablets shared within a household.
  • Direct navigation to the site, never through message links.

Payments in New Zealand Dollars

Most operators serving New Zealand offer online casino NZ dollars as an account currency, which matters more on a phone than it sounds: a cashier displaying NZ$ figures avoids the mental arithmetic — and the hidden 2–3% conversion margin — of a USD or EUR account. Check the currency during registration, because changing it later usually requires closing and reopening the account. Where conversion is unavoidable, the cashier should state the rate and any fee before you confirm; if it does not, assume a margin of up to three percent and factor that into smaller deposits, where the percentage bites hardest.

Playing Within Limits on a Phone

Phones make gambling more accessible, which makes the account tools more important, not less. Every operator on this page is required to offer player-protection controls, and most are reachable through the account menu on a phone in under a minute.

Limits and Self-Exclusion

Deposit limits, loss limits, session reminders, time-outs and self-exclusion are the standard set. Set a deposit limit the day you open an account — before the first bonus appears in your inbox, not after. Time-outs run from 24 hours to several weeks, and self-exclusion, the strongest control, locks the account for six months or more with no undo. If gambling stops being entertainment, Gambling Helpline offers free, confidential support 24/7 on 0800 654 655 or by text to 8006, with dedicated services for Māori and Pasifika communities. All of the operators mentioned here are listed on the best online pokies NZ home page.

  • Set a fixed entertainment budget per week and a deposit limit to match it.
  • Never stake money needed for rent, food or bills.
  • Use the session reminder to keep track of time — phone sessions genuinely feel shorter than they are.
  • Take a time-out rather than relying on willpower alone.
  • Seek self-exclusion when control feels difficult; it exists precisely for that situation.

Answered directly

Is there a real app or just the website?

Jonny Jackpot ships App Store on iOS and APK download on Android. The browser build carries the same account either way.

What does the app need to run?

iOS 13 / Android 8, around 60 MB of storage. Below that floor the site falls back to the browser version.

Is the mobile lobby smaller?

Usually by a little: search and filters are the first things trimmed. Live tables need Portrait + landscape to work properly.

Can deposits and withdrawals be done from the phone?

Yes, and the approval happens in the banking app. Expect the same 30–45 min window as desktop.

Why does the page reload when switching networks?

The session token is tied to the connection. Logging back in restores balance and open rounds — nothing is lost server-side.

Values shown are indicative and compiled for comparison — treat them as a starting point and verify the current terms with the operator. 18+.

Rules for Players in New Zealand

It has long been lawful for New Zealanders to play at operators based overseas, with restrictions applying only to domestic operators offering remote casino games — the Department of Internal Affairs maintains the current position, and a licensing framework for offshore online operators is in development, so the detail may change. What does not change is your responsibility: you must meet the age and eligibility requirements of any operator you join, and identity checks are part of the deal, not an obstacle around it. Our safety guide covers how to confirm an operator's credentials before depositing.

A First Session Done Right

For the first real-money session on a new phone or a new account, keep it small and structured. Deposit the minimum — NZ$10 at most operators — and choose a low-volatility pokie so the session lasts long enough to learn the lobby. Before your first spin, open the paytable and note the minimum bet, the RTP figure and what triggers the bonus round. Review the rules of the game itself if the mechanics are unfamiliar; modern titles pack cascading reels, symbol upgrades and multipliers that read differently in the paytable than they play on the reels. Set a session reminder at thirty minutes. Stop at the end of it regardless of the balance, win or lose, and you will have learned more than any strategy article can teach.

Checking a Lobby Before You Commit

Before deciding where your money sits, spend ten minutes in each operator's phone lobby using no deposit at all. Count the taps from home page to a favourite category. Try the search with a partial title. Open the cashier and read the minimums. These small frictions compound over dozens of sessions, and they are the honest difference between operators whose marketing reads identically.

What to Check Before Signing Up

A short checklist turns the comparisons on this page into a decision. Work through it in order; if an operator fails an early item, the later ones do not matter.

  1. Confirm the operator accepts New Zealand players and lists NZD as a currency.
  2. Check that the phone lobby loads and searches smoothly on your own device and connection.
  3. Read the withdrawal page: pending time, methods and any fees.
  4. Check deposit minimums against your intended budget.
  5. Read the terms of any welcome offer in full, noting expiry and wagering.
  6. Confirm the account tools — deposit limits, time-out, self-exclusion — are reachable from the phone menu.
  7. Note support channels and hours before you need them.

Operators such as JackpotCity, Royal Panda and Jonny Jackpot publish most of this on their sites directly; where a figure is missing, asking support before registering is the reliable route. When value matters as much as convenience, our page on the fastest payout online casino NZ compares the pending windows of the same operators featured here, and our round-up of the best new online pokies NZ covers the newest entrants to the market.

The Final Word on Playing on a Phone

For most New Zealand players in 2026, the browser is the right answer: no storage cost, instant updates and every payment method that a native app would offer. A downloadable app earns its place only if you play daily on one operator and value the faster launch. Whichever route you take, the practical wins are the same — biometric approval on payments, a deposit limit set on day one, and a lobby you have actually explored before your first deposit. Pokies remain games of chance with no strategy that changes a spin's result; treat the phone as a convenient window to the entertainment, keep the spending rules you would apply anywhere, and the smaller screen costs you nothing that matters.